this is the second chance in the presidential debate. there is not another actual presidential debate until october 16th. bill: listen how paul ryan explains how he sees vice president joe biden. >> he is fast on the cuff. he is a witty guy. he knows who he is and been doing this for 40 years. so, you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden has been on the national stage. he ran for president twice as sitting vice president. bill: probably a smart strategy. what he is saying there, be careful and do not underestimate the vice president, despite a reputation for having gaffs. >> well, this is what you always do. you talk up the other guy a lot of pick pubs believe he will clean joe biden's clock. paul ryan has mastery of the federal budget and fact and details. he has a way of connecting with middle class voters especially middle class voters struggling economically. he has a way of touching them. republicans should watch out for that. bill: a lot of stories will be written how vice-presidential debates do not matter. in this case tho